Tuesday, March 27, 2007

A Cristian Europe versus An Open Europe

President Kaczynski - Christianity is the EU foundation

Poland's President Lech Kaczynski, in an article for the tabloid 'Fakt' that: 'The Union cannot build its future with no reference to the centuries old history of Europe and European roots. This is why it is so difficult for us to accept opposition to a reference to Christian values in the preamble to the future Constitutional Treaty.'

The Berlin Declaration is to be signed in the capital city of Germany, as part of events marking the 50th anniversary of the Treaty of Rome and the birth of the EU.

The declaration is to play a key role in drafting the preamble to the bloc's new Constitutional Treaty.

President Kaczynski said that the Union must continue to expand.

"For Poland it is obvious that the European Union, if it wants to retain its dynamics and to count on a global scale – it must be an open union".

On behalf of the bloc's 27 member states, the Berlin Declaration will be signed tomorrow by the German Chancellor, the European Parliament and the European Commission leaders.

Poland's foreign minister Anna Fotyga is on leave and will not take part in the ceremony.



Above taken from www.poland.pl

Are the two points raised by the President of Poland not a little conflicting? If we make Cristianity a fundamental part of the Constitution, then to which countries are we supposed to expand. Is it a good message to send to Turkey, Bosnia and Albania, that yes you can come in, but please remember that we are Christian and we were here first!

Religion, is and has always been a private matter. Jesus himself made this crystal clear when remarking that what is ceasar, render unto ceasar and what is God's render under God.

This mix of politics and religion is the most frightening aspect of the current PiS government in Poland.



4 comments:

beatroot said...

good message to send to Turkey, Bosnia and Albania, that yes you can come in, but please remember that we are Christian and we were here first!

Nice one!

If we are to find common identities (and man, do we need something in this 'multicultural world') then it should be something beyond religion, or other cultural factors. Surly we have more in common than that!

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When quotes from an article on blog it looks good if you use the 'blockquote' option on blogger.

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Cheers! Keep going! I tell you what. You are in Lod and there things going on there that are lost to us Wasawians... good topics for posts, maybe?

Damien Moran said...

Christianity really went down hill when Constantinople had his celestial vision in the early 4th century on Milvian bridge informing him that 'by this sign, you will conquer.' Too much wine methinks!

80 years later when Christianity was legalised by Theodosius the foundation stones for using the Chrsitian faith as a religion to expand territories lost was waged from the 8th century onward.
- Schisms
- Crusades
- Inquisition
- Reformation
- Inter-Christian Sectarianism
- Conquistadorism & Colonial
Evangelism
- Ridiculousnessism

......all followed to propagate a life praxis that should maybe not have ventured any more than a few kilometres away from Jerusalem. But it did and I'm one who has been, self-admittedly, soaked in Christianism!

Knowing the basis for 'the centuries old history of Europe and European roots' is quintessential in recognising them as yes, the reality, but more importantly a reality which should not be upheld as something to be proud of or that has point blank brought us to our current levels of post-Christianity. Surely, on the other hand, if the roots were of a commonly accepted fruitful manner then the masses in Europe would not be a secular lot awaiting 'fire, hell and brimstone' for breakfast, dinner and tea.

Of course there has been Christian inspired architecture, art, rituals which still take our breath away in their majesty and pageantry - but it's inherently a sectarian move of the worst kind on the behalf of Christians to demand a preamble reference in something (the E.U.) which enfleshes what most of them already agree needs a serious dose or two of godliness in its' policies.

The church was monarchist in France under the Kings. imperialist under Napolean, Republican under the Republic. Parts of the church (Presbyterian, example Hromstadt) were communist in Hungary and the Czech Republic - and of course we know that the Institute of National Remembrance in Poland believe that 10-15% of clerics were informers for the communists.

Ok, Damo, get to the fucking point and stop meandering like the Amazon in mid-course.

The point is that the church and its' official advocates will always cling on to the Prinipalities and the Powers (take out your theology book) through the ages, selling its' simple praxis of thr Golden Rule down the drain with it's desire to be in bed with the ruling pragmatists.

So leave any one particular mention of a creed out of the Const.

Indeed, as the Constitution is currently worded, I suggest offering it up for burning (alongside the palms) at the altar of sacrifice this Sunday (Palm Sunday heathens), using the ashes next year (as is the tradition)to tell the faithful (as is common practice):

'Dust you are, and dust you shall return!'

Christ also made clear his opposition to the Roman Occupiers and the Religious Authorities by getting himself put up on a cross for his sedition.

A pity church leaders don't have the balls to get (verbally)crucified and (physically) incarcerated in opposing the neo-liberal policies of the E.U. and their negative impact on workers and the poor on the one hand, but on the other recognising and acting in accordance with the rights and freedoms which are enshrined in the Human Rights Conventions.

Who knows, maybe a miracle will happen if a reference is, afterall my shitetalk, put into the Preamble.
Both Kaczyinski and the E.U. constitutions are morally dead ducks(intended pun).

varus said...

Damo,

you said,

"Christ also made clear his opposition to the Roman Occupiers and the Religious Authorities by getting himself put up on a cross for his sedition."

Christ was surely crucfied for our sins and not for sedition. Sedition was a handy little reason to fullfill the age old prophecey. As far as i understand things, he did not wish to get involved in the daily politics of things as his teaching was bigger then this.

Jizzy said...

The question of whether a reference to Christianity in the proposed European constitution will materialize is an unnecessary distraction. While the Eurocrats are attempting to make potentially the greatest power-grab in the history of democracy, some people apparently are more concerned about a small subtle reference to the continent's shared religious past. The EU is a godless institution anyway. Highlighting the role of the Christian faith in Europe's social development is a cynical exercise and shows that Eurocrats are merely trying to win blind unquestioning Christian support for their constitution.